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Duncan Kean
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We all know that pairing opalines to normals improves spots generally, and cinnamons fine the feathering on some varieties, but do lutinos or spangles for instance do any improvements to others, come on, spill the beans, let your secrets out ????

March 7, 2010 at 2:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

william peacock
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Duncan Kean at 02:41PM on Mar 07, 2010

We all know that pairing opalines to normals improves spots generally, and cinnamons fine the feathering on some varieties, but do lutinos or spangles for instance do any improvements to others, come on, spill the beans, let your secrets out ????

Duncan Though not not myself a breeder who specialises in Lutinos or spangles,I would say no.Firstly lutinos,where I would say the reverse would be the case, quite often lutinos have been improved in perhaps size or head qualities by bringing in a dark green  cock who has these points but the downside would be loss of rich lutino colour so desireable,also if say a lutino cock was introduced to your normals the resulting young cocks could be split for lutino.and young hens would be lutinos which may not be your aim. Spangles in earlier days being then a new variety greatly improved the fertility of many studs, whether that's the case nowadays is debateable.however something to be said for mating a quality spangle to a quality normal all things being equal both spangles and normals of quality can result from the pairing with no wasteage. Hope this helps Duncan. Willie P.     

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March 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Duncan Kean
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william peacock at 08:44AM on Mar 12, 2010

Duncan Kean at 02:41PM on Mar 07, 2010

We all know that pairing opalines to normals improves spots generally, and cinnamons fine the feathering on some varieties, but do lutinos or spangles for instance do any improvements to others, come on, spill the beans, let your secrets out ????

Duncan Though not not myself a breeder who specialises in Lutinos or spangles,I would say no.Firstly lutinos,where I would say the reverse would be the case, quite often lutinos have been improved in perhaps size or head qualities by bringing in a dark green  cock who has these points but the downside would be loss of rich lutino colour so desireable,also if say a lutino cock was introduced to your normals the resulting young cocks could be split for lutino.and young hens would be lutinos which may not be your aim. Spangles in earlier days being then a new variety greatly improved the fertility of many studs, whether that's the case nowadays is debateable.however something to be said for mating a quality spangle to a quality normal all things being equal both spangles and normals of quality can result from the pairing with no wasteage. Hope this helps Duncan. Willie P.     

Thankyou William,your help is much appreciated.

March 12, 2010 at 1:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Robert N
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Duncan Kean at 02:41PM on Mar 07, 2010

We all know that pairing opalines to normals improves spots generally, and cinnamons fine the feathering on some varieties, but do lutinos or spangles for instance do any improvements to others, come on, spill the beans, let your secrets out ????

Good topic this for debate.

 Willie P will know that I keep a few Spangles and I have this year paired a Grey Green Spangle cock to his Neice, a Sky Blue Cinammon hen.

First round chicks (three of them) provided one Spangle cock and two Cinammon hens.

The spangle is by far the best of them and looks really well at five weeks old, taking size I believe from his father. Both hens appear to be following their mother and are at this stage smaller in body size but have her head quality, showing width and blow.

Time will tell if the pairing provides a winner on the show bench, but I believe at this stage I have at the very least three excellent stock birds. At least one more round will be taken, and I believe that testing pairings provides the answers, and it is quite exciting. 

 

 

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March 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

william peacock
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Robert N at 04:05PM on Mar 15, 2010

Duncan Kean at 02:41PM on Mar 07, 2010

We all know that pairing opalines to normals improves spots generally, and cinnamons fine the feathering on some varieties, but do lutinos or spangles for instance do any improvements to others, come on, spill the beans, let your secrets out ????

Good topic this for debate.

 Willie P will know that I keep a few Spangles and I have this year paired a Grey Green Spangle cock to his Neice, a Sky Blue Cinammon hen.

First round chicks (three of them) provided one Spangle cock and two Cinammon hens.

The spangle is by far the best of them and looks really well at five weeks old, taking size I believe from his father. Both hens appear to be following their mother and are at this stage smaller in body size but have her head quality, showing width and blow.

Time will tell if the pairing provides a winner on the show bench, but I believe at this stage I have at the very least three excellent stock birds. At least one more round will be taken, and I believe that testing pairings provides the answers, and it is quite exciting. 

 

 

Hello Robert N, Glad to hear you continue turning out spangles of high quality as you've been doing recent years, but just a word not by any means of critisism but of caution, and it's only an opinion,but bringing in the cinnamon factor,your grey green spangle must be split cinnamon mated to cinnamon skyblue hen, resulting in a spangle cock and two cinnamon hens,but the spangle cock could could have turned out a spangle cinnamon of whever colour and when shown in the spangle class I feel (again only an opinion) loses that sharp impact the wing markings a spangle greygreen or light green has the same applies to a  spangle opaline. I make these comments only because I regard your exhibition spangles highly,and myself would be mating your spangles to the quality normals you possess. Willie P.    

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March 18, 2010 at 1:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Robert N
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Hello Willie,

I agree with your observations, however as this is the only related Hen I have available this year I decided to try the pairing. Next time around the bird will be paired to a Normal hen.

As you know I do not many Cinammons and this is an attempt to establish a strong line, however I will try over the next three years and if I don't make the progress I hope for I shall revert back to mainly  Spangles and Normals.

Many thanks for the compliments regarding my birds.

 

Cheers

Robert N    

March 18, 2010 at 3:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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